NLSA [National Llewellin Setter Association]
NLGDC [National Llewellin Setter Gun Dog Club]
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Subject:LSA web page
Date:Tue, 21 Dec 2004 04:52:42 -0000 (GMT)
From:Troy D. Sparks <firstname.lastname@example.org>
You've copyright violoated my personal NLGDC page (http://www.sparksllewellinsetters.com/nlgdcframe.html ).You need to revome the information from the following URL: http://www.nationallsa.com/nlgdc.html
It should also be noted that the NLGDC President, Gary Wente, has already made this request sometime ago.
Additionally, it would be appreciated that all implications between the LSA and NLGDC on your web pages be removed.As it stands now, it is implied that NLGDC endorses the LSA and King Kennels which it does Not.
It is very unfair to copyright violate my page and then have the nerve to put a link to King kennels at the bottom.Not to meantion that you don't even cite my NLGDC URL.
I look forward to your reply and cooperation in this matter and hope that I will not have to contact your ISP.
Sincerely, Troy Sparks
Troy D. Sparks
I had heard some time ago that this letter you refer to was sent to us BUT IT WAS NEVER RECEIVED BY EITHER OF US!Actually I was foolish enough to believe that it was just another malicious rumor.
I absolutely cannot believe the gall of you and Gary.
YOU KNOW that Alfred alone started the NLGDC.Ask your mother.
So be it.Time will tell.If the good lord wills and time is on our side you will be made the fool not us.
The matter will be taken care of and your link is already removed.
By the way Troy, when you started your page it was then taken word for word from out web page.We never mentioned your infringement because of the respect for your family.
Alfred & Drenda King
King Llewellin Kennel
ALL BUT 3 OR 4 OF THE PARTICIPANTS, ALL THE MEMBERS AND ALL THE OFFICERS LISTED IN THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION WERE PEOPLE WHOM WE HAD PLACED DOGS WITH OVER THE YEARS!
Extremely few of these people E-V-E-R knew one another until introduced by us!
Bob Baily and Joe Noe DID NOT get together and form a trial.I and only I got them together with myself in order to initiate the FIRST Llewellin Gun Dog Trial!Bob because I knew he had the grounds and Joe because he was the only person I knew who knew ANYTHING about Field Trials.Again VERY few of you knew either of them at the time!
Alfred O. King, Sr.
All the following information is taken directly from file copies of the National Llewellin Setter Association News Journals.
ISSUE #1 = Vol. 1 #2, SUMMER 1994
I did not know Drenda, my wife, and I would enjoy as much as we have, the preparation of this newsletter.
I have tried to hold membership fees to a minimum, only $15.00 this charter membership year.This is to cover the postage and printing only.The quality and style of the printing are higher than I could have gotten by with but that is not what I wanted.
My aim is for all who wish, who are Llewellin Setter owners and enthusiast, to become acquainted and to insure the continuation of the "PURE BLOOD BREED OF THE LLEWELLIN SETTER".
I think most of you, thru conversation or correspondence with me, know that I feel an obligation to the fine gentlemen who encouraged me in the beginning.I am ever grateful and still in awe of the attitudes of these men who could have treated me as a `sale' and gone on about their varied vocations and businesses.
All these gentlemen were professional men not dog jockeys.They took me at my word that I was truly in love with first the sport and then the breed that could literally teach me what the art of Quail hunting is all about.Whatever each of their own reasoningās I feel I have an unwritten contract to uphold their breed for taking me under their `Quail wing' and giving me a young, green 17 year old farm boy, information, encouragement and even Llewellins that I would never have been able to afford otherwise.My first ad was placed in Sport's Afield and everyone, except these men and my wife thought I was nuts.
The period had already begun when the Field Trial Running Dogs were being promoted; thus more or less brainwashing the younger generation.During the 60's and the 70's the major Field Trial men flooded the national magazines with advertising that if a dog didn't have a Field Trial Champion in the 1st or 2nd generation of its pedigree it would not make a birddog.My brothers tell me now that they could never understand how or why I maintained these dogs thru all we have been thru.Perhaps the most appreciated respect I have received is from them.
Being involved with so many individuals dedicated to this unique breed I have had countless requests to initiate some sort of organization.
I propose to initiate the organization and subsequent News-Letter (Quarterly) of THE NATIONAL LLEWELLIN ASSOCIATION.Decided benefits would be:
(1)The preservation of this near extinct outstanding, foothunting Birddog breed.
(2)Organized information on individual Llewellin Setter owners in your area, with a list of new members included in each publication.
(3)Stud Service Availability: This list of Llewellin owners will let you know of any stud available for service in your area.With the cost of shipping a grown dog increasing each year, it will not be necessary to ship every dog to be bred.
(4)News of Llewellin competition in Foot Hunting Birddog Field Trials.(Contact me if you have a dog that places or has placed in a Trial.)
(5)The "KENNEL TIPS & HEALTH INFO" section will include an exchange of information from members with helpful hints.Ranging from feed supplements, disease control, cleaners, housing, results of shot schedules, raising a litter of pups, diagnosis and Vet treatments, etc.
(6)Training Trivia:Secrets you and I have in training shared with each other.
(7)Question and Answer section.
(8)The ultimate formation of Area Llewellin "Clubs" and "Competitions".This will come about as our membership increases and we all become acquainted with other owners in our own areas.
For years I have had this type of information cross my desk.While every tidbit may not be important to all at a given moment, in this manner all such information may be passed along in a timely way.Again let me stress this will be an exchange of information format.Input from all members will be welcome as it once was in the old publications.I am very excited about this project.One of the most enjoyable aspects of being a breeder has been "meeting" thousands thru correspondence and calls, I wish to share this pleasure with you all!
I AM NOT PROPOSING A NEW DOG REGISTRATION IN THIS ORGANIZATION.THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORGANIZATION, IS MERELY A WAY OF KEEPING UP WITH OTHER LLEWELLIN SETTER OWNERS AND ENTHUSIASTS.
If you are interested in becoming a Charter Member please contact me.Also please send copies of pedigrees you have on your dog, with information where you acquired it or them, etc.MEMBERSHIP FEE WILL BE $15.00 A YEAR.THIS WILL HELP TO COVER INCURRED COST OF POSTAGE AND PRINTING OF "NEWS LETTER" SENT TO YOU QUARTERLY.The response of your input and information will determine if we are able to publish every other month.Make checks payable to LLEWELLIN ASSOCIATION.
% ALFRED O. KING SR.
27 GAPVIEW ROAD.
CONWAY, ARKANSAS 72032
The date has been set for December 3rd and 4th in West Liberty, Kentucky, courtesy of Mr. Bob Bailey.
We are requesting input as to the rules and regulations governing the Trial.We want the insight of everyone.
We want to know what you think even if you don't plan to participate.
I personally would like for them to be judged much as they were to begin with.
We want this to be a consensus of opinion that will please all involved.
Some of you have seen decades of trials and have heard lots of "wish they would do this instead of this".
We need this to be a priority project!I WANT TO GET ALL THE SUGGESTIONS IN, TO PUBLISH IN THE FALL NEWSLETTER.
We can present this info in the format of a ballot.We will provide whatever extra space needed in that newsletter.
Even if you've never been to a trial·.. read up! talk to others! listen to complaints!Cover as many aspects as you wish.Do you wish to be a judge?How much should the entry fee be?How a dog covers the ground?Consider all aspects of the trial and decide what you would like to see.AOK, Sr.
It seems strange to me but one of the most often asked queries I receive concerning the Association is, "Aren't you afraid someone else will become a breeder and eliminate some of your sales?"
The answer is certainly NO.Don't jump to any conclusions here.
I want you to understand what part of NO I mean.
I am proud to see the interest of the next generation in the Llewellins and of course that includes breeders and the starting of Llewellin kennels on their own.
For a number of years I mainly sold to older men who had owned or remembered what a Llewellin foothunting dog was.They didn't care if it had a champion granddaddy.They understood what a loving, dedicated, easy going (the word hyper was unknown to us then), COMPANION, and needless to say excellent birddog they were.
One can only raise so many pups in a given time.Probably the main reason is health.Disease control is very expensive and time consuming but an absolute must.
Apart from that factor is the proven to me factor of making a hobby into a full time job.
(This a little background on me.)I once loved to fish.In 1980 I was in the Automobile Business.In an attempt to break the usury law in Arkansas financing of vehicles became almost impossible, forcing the company I worked for to consolidate their two lots for a time.I decided it would be a good time to try something else for a while; with the security of knowing I could go back to the car business anytime I wanted to.
Back when I was a farmer, late 60's, I subsidized our income by fishing the Casche River in eastern Arkansas, during the time the crops were laid by.In 1980 I already knew what to do and where the market for the product was.I opened a fresh fish and seafood market in Conway.At that time the supermarkets didn't carry fish in our area.It proved to be a lucrative business, putting two boys thru college, BUT it turned a hobby into a full time job!I've gotten into the same thing with the antique business.I REFUSE to do the same with my dogs!
New and modern hunting toys and the media blitz of the "field trial" stock took over for at least 2 decades.Cover and the birds own habits have changed.I have never owned a "Beeper collar".Why would you want a dog if you needed a beeper to find it with?My dogs stay close enough to keep me in sight and even in heavy cover I can hear their movements.The birds are now seldom in the wide-open spaces.The pesticides keep them from the fields and into the thickets and cutovers.I remember when fencerows were all you needed to work and get all the birds you wanted.Now even if you could find a fencerow it would be too close to the poisons used to control crops.Now you need a close dog more than ever to work the areas where birds are found.
Therefore I can say without a doubt that I am PROUD to see the younger guys picking up the breeding program.YES, I want to see the Llewellin again become the dominant breed of pointing dog in the US.
The following is a prime example of what nearly happened to our breed.
Don Bond, of Harrisonville, Mo., and a member of our Association has written his views (based on varied experiences) of what he wishes to see in a Llewellin Field Trial.
Don also states, "Presuming that you have `broken the ice' in getting the Llewellin Association started I would be happy to help form local and/or regional branches."This is exactly what I most wanted to hear in connection with the association.Don, you're in great bird hunting land.I have been familiar with parts of your area for close to 30 years, I both have family there and buy for our store on a regular route south and east of you.We already have several members in Southwest Missouri.I sincerely hope you all get in contact with each other and see what happens!
LLEWELLIN TRIALS ---- The following is word for word Don's summary. I have been an avid quail hunter since the last fifties and the last few years have become obsessed with pheasant hunting.I haven't had the opportunity but I really want to hunt ruffled grouse and partridge.
I have been an enthusiastic field trialer for many years starting with the American Brittany Club horseback trials.Then I finally admitted that they weren't interested in improving the Brittany as a foot hunting dog but instead just wanted `further and faster' so they could compete with the `Big Boys', the pointer and setter people.They didn't realize that they had what the average hunter wanted, a dog that hunted in foot range, pointed, retrieved and backed naturally.They have really weakened these traits through their practice of breeding to get run.
I left the ABC and tried ABHA and NBHA.Even though they are foot handled it became apparent that they also wanted the runners.Then in the early eighties I started with NSTRA.Their trials were set up for foot hunting dogs.A good hunting dog actually had an excellent opportunity to win, even at the national level.I helped set up both the Kansas City Bird Dog Club and the Mo-Kan region of NSTRA.I have handled, judged, planted birds, been club officer, trial chairman and every other job related to club or trial operation.Now the `further and faster' type of dog is pretty much controlling the NSTRA also, but with a few rule changes the NSTRA type field trial can be maintained as a foot hunting bird dog competition, one that would be an excellent showcase for the Llewellin Setter and set the groundwork to see that they remain a fine foot hunting companion.
I realize that this is not a `traditional' trialing with a cross country course or back course and bird field but I'll try to give a brief explanation of why the "course" type trial is not the way to go to maintain the Llewellin as a foot hunter.
For many decades now the "course" type trial has just been the way it is done.Here are some of the pluses and minuses as I see them.
PLUS - Gives dogs the opportunity to run a long (1/4 mile or more) fencerow in his search.He doesn't have to bother quartering.If you want a "Sunrise" type of dog this is great.
MINUS - Maybe not at first but soon, in a close trial, faster and further will win.Then this effect will snowball.You will have to have a runner to be competitive.Three field trail history course trails came to favor the faster - further dogs and so we now have the "Sunrise" type setters, pointers and continental breeds where "way out there" is the number one priority.
MINUS - Course type trials virtually require horse-transported gallery.Otherwise you can't see any of the action, even if you walk.This requires a much greater financial investment for those involved or just watching and considering becoming involved.This cuts out most working people as competitors or future owners of dogs.
MINUS - After the dogs and gallery have been over the course a few times most wild or liberated birds have had enough and leave.Sure, a few come back in here and there but not enough to have a fair and equal competition for EACH entrant.
MINUS - SAFETY!!After the horse gallery has been over a course a few times draw and ravine sides become slick and treacherous, especially if it is or has rained lately.This drastically increases the chances of a serious accident and lawsuit.Also, grounds get torn up, mudholes start, gullies get started, these result in more terrain damage or extensive and expensive repair.
MINUS - Constant worry and concern over the dog wagon.Will it break down?Will the right dogs get to the right place at the right time, etc, etc?
Basically the course/backcourse trials encourage the big running type of dogs.Just look at the field trail history and see this.Owners of this type dog get publicity and have much control over the gene pool as the hunters are convinced that they need the CH. on the dogs pedigree.Many times the hunters, especially new ones, just give up on hunting all together.Most dog owners who have a competitive spirit are kept out by lack of money.The cost of horses, trailers, trucks, training, etc. is tremendous.I could go on and on but you get the picture.
For the Llewellin Association Trials I propose basic style of trial, designed to showcase the Llewellin's foot hunting style and preserve the Llewellin Setter as the foot hunting bird dog.
19805 E 220 ST
LLEWELLIN FIELD TRIAL
Thomas Neville and his brother Everett have marked their calendars and are both excited about the upcoming trial.He says for all to see how well Tar Heel Llewellins do after hunting Tar Heel Bobwhites!!!
He states, "I must say that I whole-heartedly agree with you in the conduct of the field trial.I support trials based upon the hunting ability of the dog - not how high he holds his tail or how fast he can run.To be certain, we must cover the basics (pointing, retrieving, backing, etc.) but I believe if we are going to make the Llewellin Trial a CONTINUING success, we should consider the hunting abilities of the above all else."
What do you think about some kind of "dinner on the grounds" the night before the trial so that we might meet one another?To me that's the greatest part about a Field Trial - getting to know other dedicated to the continuation of the Llewellin breed.
150 Laura Road
FIELD TRIAL INPUT
As far as the trial in Dec. I would like to see the trials handled the old way, definitely not requiring dogs to be broke to wing & shot.Just out walk - style hunting judging on style, obedience, (retrieving?) and just good old bird sense.
I have seen too many good dogs ruined by handlers and owners demanding a dog be broke to wing & shot and I am thankful to say many plantations in my region are going away from it.It is just human arrogance to see how far we can push the dog, what next?Maybe they will train their dogs to stomp their pad on the ground to indicate the number of birds in the covey!As far as the entry fee $25 - $50 is just fine to me.I hope the trial will be run using Bobwhites.
I can't wait to meet the many fine owners of a truly unique style of dogs - The Llewellin.
RT 3 BOX 1098
LLEWELLIN ONLY GUN DOG TRIAL
BY:ALFRED & DRENDA
All the plotting and planning was over.December 1st arrived and we were off to the blue grass of Kentucky.It sure is some pretty country.It was the first time we ever saw black barns and fences.The weather was great up until the last day of the meet.
Friday night we met at Bob Bailey's clubhouse at the Straight Creek Gun Club.We all owe Bob and Steve a great big thank you for all the work involved in making this a first class event.He provided an excellent quality of birds, the layout was great, not to mention the food.We cannot begin to list all the conveniences that the team provided. The purpose of this meeting was to set the basic ground rules for the hunt.I, as well as most others present, didn't know what was the standard, but we did know what we did and did not want to see.
Joy Dog Food sponsored our Trial.We appreciate the comments of Roger Blankenship, Joy's representative, as we went along.I don't think he knew what to make of such an uninformed group, but it didn't take him long to figure out we do know and love our dogs and what we expect from them.
A number of points were discussed.No formal set of rules has been drawn to this date.First and foremost ours was a Gun-Dog Trial and based on working activity as it relates to a Natural Hunting Situation.
Three stakes were run.ALL AGE - DERBY; dogs 2 years old, whelped after January but prior to July.PUP - whelped after January but prior to July the year preceding (1993).
Scoring was to be accessed on points accumulated by POINTS - BACKS - RETRIEVE - OBEDIENCE.We discussed intensity, class and form, loss for dog running without apparent quest for birds, points given or taken on speed and range, tail flag, handling and control at backing, a must - once dog points and second dog backs, backing handler holds his dog as first shoots and the retrieve is judged.False points were considered OK as birds would possibly have already been found in given areas, backing was approved to be on either sight or Whoa command, if birds were flushed by man - no penalty, birds blinked by dog to be penalized, Judge could disqualify handler for being too loud or on interference with other dog, the dogs performance without excessive talk and/or whistle from handler was discouraged as well as over-handling.
The majority wanted the braces run on a basis such as would occur during regular hunting experiences.Tho we understand the reasoning behind the action of holding the second dog back to score the first dog, probably no dog present had been held by the owner after his back had been acknowledged, the covey rise shot and retrieve accomplished.Personally we all shoot on a covey rise regardless of whose dog got first point.With a good bit of give and take and general discussion and compromise; we seemed to agree on a satisfactory basis for judging.
There are rules to set down.There are matters to iron out.I WANT TO TELL YOU ONE THING.IF YOU WEREN'T THERE YOU MISSED THE EVENT OF THE CENTURY!You don't think I'm prejudiced do you?The competition was the most exciting & interesting field competition I have ever attended.
I have never been to a trial where the competitors were as excited and happy about what they were doing.In most field trials I have attended your competition would "cut throats to win".You could not see this in West Liberty.I saw the best overall SPORTSMANSHIP I have ever witnessed.In one of the heats a dog made a mistake that could have disqualified the contestant.The Judge asked Tony Sallee if he wanted the other dog ejected.Tony was overheard to say, "No, let the man run his dog.We came here to compete and have a good time."The Judge allowed the hunt to continue.
Speaking of "hunt"; you should have heard the comments from the gallery.Myself, Bob Bailey, Drenda & others talked with and could overhear the gallery commenting, "This ain't no Field Trial; those boys are hunting!"That was a true statement.If you had walked upon the competition one would have thought some good old boys were out trying to fill their bags with game and not competing for a trophy.
The stakes were run down connecting valleys; allowing the gallery to walk the trails and lanes overlooking the valleys.It really was a unique way to view the dog work.The weather was perfect if a bit on the warm side, this of course is according to which of the four corners you came from.
30 Llewellin enthusiast, owners and association members attended the gathering Friday night.After the discussion each signed up.The entry forms were filled out and places drawn for the heats, which were to begin the following two days.
Those who were there are listed in the following by the order in which they signed up.
Tony Sallee - ElDorado Springs, MO
Bernie Brown - Shell City, MO
Richard & Lisa Dixon - Mt. Vernon, IN
David & Penny Poole - Thomasville, GA
George Gubitose, Sr - Strafford, NH
George Gubitose, Jr - Oxford, CT
Lloyd D. Jones - Louisville, KY
Marsh Brown - Aledo, IL
Robert DeCamp - North Vernon, IL
Roger Blankenship, Rocky Mt., VA
Thomas Neville, Mt Holly, NC
Everette Neville, Durham, NC
Tony LaGreca, Cornel, LA
Gary Mac Quillen, Weber City, VA
David DeCamp, N. Vernon, IN
Dwight Brown, Chesterfield, IL
Phillip D., Ledford, Columbus, OH
Clyde & Ellen Farmer, Middleton, VA
Wilbur Williams, Lincoln IL
Jeff Jefferson, Morristown, TN
Roy Sparks & Mrs, Milroy, IN
Olen Chapman, Oblong, IL
Dave Seimer, Maple Park, IL
Don Bond, Harrisonville, MO
Joe Noe, Tiskilwa, IL
Bob & Steve Bailey, West Liberty, KY
Alfred & Drenda King, Conway, AR
WINNERS ARE SHOWN IN THE ACCOMPANYING PHOTOS.
The following is a list of participants and winners.Sunday a buddy hunt was run, sorry but I do not have a listing on this.It was raining by then and a good competition.
HEAT PARTICIPANTS - ALL AGE GUN DOG
Brown's Little Annie - Bernie Bowers
Straight Creek Ike - Steve Bailey
Hans Pride - Richard Dixon
Tippy - Lloyd Jones
Dashing Houdne Bondhu - Thomas Neville
Sheba - Marsh Brown
Jeff's Dashing Bandit - Jeff Jefferson
Straight Creek Mike - Steve Bailey
Dashing Krissett Bondhu - Alfred King
Blue - Lloyd Jones
Ammer Gale Bondhu - Marsh Brown
DeCamp's Dash Maggie - Robert DeCamp
1ST PLACE- Dashing Iron Mike - Steve Bailey
2ND PLACE - DeCamp's Dash Maggie - Robert DeCamp
HEAT PARTICIPANTS - DERBY
Sallee's White Owl - Tony Sallee
Dashing Maggie - Robert DeCamp
Pool's Royacelle Katy - David Poole
Dashing Cavele Bondhu - Neville
L A Bomber - Tony LaGreca
Dashing Cracker Bell - Roy Sparks
1ST PLACE- DeCamp's Dash Maggi - Robert DeCamp
2ND PLACE - Dashing Cavele Bondhu - Neville
3RD PLACE- Pool's Royacelle Katy - David Poole
HEAT PARTICIPANTS - PUPPY STAKE
Dashing Independence Bohdhu - ?????
Straight Creek Blaze - Bob Bailey
Dashing Peddie Bondhu - George Gubitose, Jr.
Blaze - Lindsey
L A Bomber - Tony LaGreca
Russian King Alex - Alfred King
Dashing Cracker Jack - Roy Sparks
Stick - Lloyd Jones
1ST PLACE- L A Bomber - Tony Lagreca
2ND PLACE - Dashing Cracker Jack - Roy Sparks
I sincerely apologize for any inaccuracy in the above listing, I am aware that there definitely are some.Drenda overdid herself by mid-afternoon Saturday and had to return to the motel (Major surgery in Oct) and the record keeping was not what we would have liked.Please contact us if you have any corrections and we will run a full listing with corrections in the next issue.
CALL JOE NOE IMMEDIATELY WITH INFORMATION CONCERNING THE PEDIGREES OF YOUR DOGS IF YOU WON OR PLACED IN THE TRIAL.HE NEEDS THIS INFO FOR THE AMERICAN FIELD RECORDS.IT IS NECESSARY FOR THIS TO BE CONSIDERED A RECOGNIZED SANCTIONED TRIAL.
LLEWELLIN GUNDOG TRIAL
The inaugural running of the Llewellin Gundog Trial sponsored by the Straight Creek Gun Club was held December 3rd and 4th near West Liberty, Kentucky.The stake was open to Llewellin Setters only with Llewellin enthusiast coming from nine different states.
It is interesting to note that Llewellin Setters more than 80 years ago were considered top field trial dogs.
This dedicated group of owners, trainers and Llewellin breeders gathered to discuss the possibility of running regional dug dog trials open to Llewellins only looking to the future of naming an all age Llewellin Gun Dog National Champion.
Judges of the stakes were Don Bond of Harrisonville, Mo. and this scribe.Father and son combo Bob and Steve Bailey did an excellent job of managing the stake and hosted a Pork Bar-B-Que on Saturday.
Noted Llewellin breeder Al King and his wife Drenda from Arkansas attended the trial.Marsh Brown from Illinois, George Gubitose from New Hampshire, and his son George, Jr. from Connecticut, along with others from Virginia, Ohio, Missouri, Georgia, Indiana and Kentucky.
Those that attended enjoyed the more than ample bird work and friendly conversation about the future of Llewellins in the years to come.
NOTE:Joe writes for American Field and is an experienced Field Trial Judge.He is also published in other Illinois Newspublications.
COMMENTS FROM OUR RESIDENT COMEDIAN/CPA
ROY SPARKS, SHELBYVILLE, IN
I enjoyed the Llewellin Setter Dog Trial that was held on December 2 & 3, 1994.There was some excellent dog work.The people were very friendly.I enjoyed meeting Llewellin Setter owners from all over the US.
I would like to offer some suggestions to help improve the operation of the next trial:
1.The rules should be in writing before the start of the trial and sent to each participant.
2.Each dog and handler must be entered and paid for at least 2 weeks before the start of the trial.
3.A drawing to be held at least 2 weeks before the start to determine the brace mate and the running times.
4.Each person at the trial should have a name badge.
5.If the trial is to be a 2 day event there should be an evening banquet.
6.Each participant should get the name and address of all the participants.
7.It is important to start on time.
8.The gallery should be kept away from the hunting field.
I might be interested in helping to hold a spring trial in Indiana around the third week of April, 1995 if there is enough interest.You might ask the Association members if they would like to have a spring trial.Please let me know.
I was well pleased with the way the puppy I got from you (Dashing Crackerjack) did in the trial.I think he did very excellent for a 9 month old puppy.I believe he will be a super bird dog in a couple of years.
Roy K. Sparks, Jr.
37 E. Washington St.
Shelbyville, IN 46156
KENTUCKY WILL NEVER BE THE SAME
Kentucky will never be the same after the LLEWELLIN owners from around the country arrived for the first annual December trial.
The Morgan Inn was the place to stay.After Saturday's action many of the trialers ate at the Inn's restaurant.I think the food would have been better if the kitchen door wasn't open while Mr. Parker told all his great Kentucky jokes.The Inn also gave Marsh Brown a complementary "NO PETS"sign after he kept his dogs in his room Friday night.All in all it was a good place to stay.(and it was the only one.)
On a more serious note Bob Bailey and his son Steve put on a great show.Everything seemed to go pretty well and all parties who attended had a lot of fun.The Baileys deserve a big thank you for making this trial possible and a success.
While I was there I couldn't help but get the feeling that it's time to start these on a local level. A lot of the trialers came from over 400 miles.I know I traveled over 1000 miles to make this event I promised Al I wouldn't miss.
In the future I think "THE LLEWELLIN ASSOCIATION" has to focus on the development of a concrete set of rules to ensure that the LLEWELLIN remains the great dog it is. I propose that we as an organization should look into the rules of other restricted breed trials and whether they have made a positive impact on the development of their respective breeds.These ideas along with input of other LLEWELLIN owners will help us devise rules for which all future trials will be held.This LLEWELLIN "constitution"will be as important as the association itself.The interest is there and if it is set up correctly I feel you will see the support of the LLEWELLIN owners.
If your a LLEWELLIN owner and you didn't or couldn't make the trial shame on you.It was a great time that was missed.It was tremendous to see all the dogs including several rare imported ones, including Al's Russian pup.Overall everyone seemed to have fun and they're looking forward to next year.
I hope to see all of you next year and I plan to have a northeastern trial sometime in early fall before our hunting seasons begin around here.If you are interested let Al or I know.
Speaking of Al I want to publicly thank you for your part in all this.Without your incredible devotion to this breed many a hunter would have missed the chance to own such a great dog.So for you Mr. King I feel a good set of rules will be the best gift LLEWELLIN owners could give you.
P. O. Box 196
Strafford, NH 03884
I believe the Field Trial was a complete success.When I think of the number of people that came to the trial and the miles that we all traveled, it shows the dedication that we all share to the Llewellin Setter.I felt that there was a special bond between us all - much like whit my brother or with Marines I sometimes meet.To me, the Field Trial seemed like one of these civil war re-enactments - as if we were stepping back in time,to a special time in which hunters with like views assembled together and came up with rules or "conduct of the Trial"over coffee, cigarettes and cigars way into the night.You can't find that as organizations grow larger and more binded or structured.Although I traveled over 16 hours and only "hunted" for 20 minutes (shooting 1 bird), I consider the event a highlight of my hunting adventures.
As far as my views of where we should go, I believe it is important that we hold these trials in some manner because of it is an important devise to ensure the continued existence of the Llewellin Setter.We need to reach agreement as to how we want to conduct these trials and in my view of utmost imprrtance is that we make sure that it is a trial of HUNTING DOGS>I think we were successful in that end.I believe we could have regional trials, but that we need to all have the same rules for the most part.In short, we need to have enough rules or structure to ensure that the trial is not allowed to become something other than a trial held by true birdhunters with real hunting Llewellin birddogs.
WHAT I LIKED ABOUT THE TRIAL:
1The number of birds pointed wighted very heavily.
2You had to shoot the birds and this then allowed you to get a retrieve.
3The judges stayed with the handler.
4The fellowship of bird hunters.
5Seeing so many fine Llewellins.
6The cover was at the right level for a gundog trial.
WHAT WE COULD IMPROVE:
1THE COURSE WAS A LITTLE NARROW.
2The trial shold be held at the end of the hunting season.
3The derby brace was too short.
4Wasted to much time between braces.
Again I thought the trial was a tremendous success & an event for me to remember & always reflect upon.I look forward to the next year.I especially enjoyed meeting you!
130 Summitt Ave.
Mt. Holly, NC 28120
TALK IT UP - WRITE
Let us test our influence by writing American Field.We are now over 200 strong.Write a quick note to the Field, attention to the registration department.Litter registrations are not being noted as LLEWELLIN.It is bad enough that the individual registrations are no longer published in the weekly issues.
I do not like the Litter Registration in the first place because by the time you wait close to three weeks to determine what color a pup (especially in Beltons) is, then wait for them to get it back to you the pups are well over 8 weeks old.
You might write something to this effect:We/I as Llewelin enthusiast are very concerned that you are not recognizing or noting Llewellin litters as such.They are simply refereed to as English Setters.It concerns me because I am afraid it could lead to discontinuing registry of the Llewellin as a distinct breed.I believe this would be a drastic mistake because the Llewellin's personality and hunting ability is so much different from the Field Trial Setters.They are one of the few true foothunting breeds left, maybe the only one, because they are dogs that want to "hunt with you".I ask you to honor your founders memory of recognizing them as a separate breed. We would greatly appreciate this.Thank you in advance.
The mailing address is:American Field - 542 South Dearborn Street - Chicago, IL60605.
Let us see if we can get a positive response.
Alfred O. King. Sr.
THIS LETTER WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE END FOR THE LLEWELLIN SETTER IN THE VIEW OF FDSB.
THUS ENDED THE FIRST YEAR OF THE NATIONAL LLEWELLIN SETTER ASSOCIATION BUT WAS THE BEGINNING OF MANY MORE LLEWELLIN GUN DOG TRIALS.
THE NATIONAL LLEWELLIN GUN DOG CLUB WAS FORMALLY INITIATED ON December 7, 1996!
12 Trial Reports
Llewellin Setter Club Trials
By:Alfred O. King, Sr.
This has been a long fall season for my family.We have had all manner of family medical problems.The Lord truly blessed me this year because I was able to attend all the trials this fall.Even though a couple were slightly against my doctors wishes.After returning from West Liberty, Doc fixed that and put me in the hospital for 5 days with pneumonia.Those Kentucky 'hollers' were in the middle of their first cool spell, followed by rain; some of the braces were run in what looked like London fog.Since I had waking pneumonia two weeks before this the fog did me in.
Anyway, I certainly did enjoy all the trials and wouldn't have traded the experiences for anything.
September 14, 1996 ~ Drenda and I flew to New Hampshire with Ashley and Deedra (it was a first for the dogs).We had a wonderful time and the hospitality of George, Maureen & little Emily, and both their sets of parents was fantastic.On arrival we were treated to our first true Lobster feast.Arkansas "live" and New England "fresh" Lobster are two entirely different things!The trial was handled beautifully, in every detail.It was quite evident that George & the NH Club had benefited from the experience of hosting last years trail.All appeared to run like clockwork.The weather "faired off" and the bird-work was great!The cover was not unlike some of what we hunt here in the foothills of the Ozarks.They have two layers of trees and at a distance of 20 to 30 yards it's like looking at a wall of trees.It was nice to start off with the pleasure of watching the Puppys work.All braces displayed excellent dog work; I would not like to have the job of the judge.The Judges did an absolutely excellent job.You know that is true when you heard no complaints, Ha!The fellowship was superb and we all enjoyed meeting several men I feel I already knew in person; Michel Martineau, Alain Tilly and Michel Gelinas who came down from Canada.It was good to hear that they plan to start a Club in Canada.Our congratulations and thanks go to all of George & Maurene's family for all the hard work they did.They were all on hand to see to the slightest needs of everyone who attended.
October 5-6, 1996 ~ My son, Bill was able to go with me to Missouri.We had a great time; he really enjoyed all the Bird-Dog fellowship and says he is addicted now.He got his confidence up as he ran the first dog.Bill Janssen displayed the typical style of the Southern Gentleman by putting on a fine Trial.His farm, just outside of St. Louis, provided a wonderful trail grounds.Everything ran smoothly, the Judges were very fair, and everything was well organized, he even had programs printed up.In the future all the trials will be able to provide programs, as all entries must be sent in advance.The trial grounds were laid out in a valley, with the gallery watched from a hilltop on which picnic tables were placed atop trailers.Plenty of birds were released and lots of shooting was going on.We had lots of strong competition, making a tough job for the Judges.The accommodations and food were excellent.The trial ran smoothly and all were pleased to have made the effort to attend.
Bill's choice of Awards was excellent.The Trophy for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place was an extremely nice belt buckle.All were either envious or proud of these lasting trophies.
October 19-20, 1996 ~ Bill and I again went together for the third trial of the season at West Liberty.As I said the weather did not at first want to co-operate.All involved had an excellent time.We saw some excellent dog work.The All-Age had 11 entries; 12 entries in the Derby; & 8 entries in the Puppy braces.Joe and Lorri Noe again traveled from Illinois with their horses to judge this event.Our deepest appreciation go to them both for their patience in helping us develop our trials.
November 8-9-10, 1996 ~ Joey Hilton's South Carolina Trial was run on excellent ground.The accommodations and food were top quality.Our thanks to his Mom and family for all their efforts to see to our needs.We had plenty of dogs and met lots of new folks.Several came to watch the proceedings.We were certainly glad to have Dave Henderson attend.We received several new members in the Association.The trailer for viewing worked very well, especially when the weather grew colder & colder.
December 7-8, 1996 ~ At West Liberty we were able to finalize the organization of our National Llewellin Trial Club.We had lots of good bird work and enjoyed the fellowship of new and old friends.Stamper's Inn provided us with space for our meetings and eating get-togethers.Again Steve & Donna outdid themselves on our meals.
All trials went very smoothly with a lot of beautiful dog work from All-Age down to the Puppy Braces.I personally enjoy running Puppy and Derby more than Open All-Age.I guess because I like watching a pup develop.
What I like about these Llewellin Trials is the variation in the winners.For example this was our 4th running at West Liberty, although some of the same dogs have competed they have not always returned to the winners circle.This proves the quality of all the dogs competing.It was interesting to see the development of some of the dogs over that of last year.For instance, last year Roy Sparks was not sure he was as pleased with his pup as he had been with Jack (you may remember my little entry about the "first love" for your first dog).By this year this beautiful young Llewellin proved he could get down to business.
National Association of Llewellin Setter
Gun Dog Trial Clubs
On December 7, 1996 all those present at the West Liberty Trial (app. 40) met on Saturday night.The purpose of this meeting was the official formation of a National Trial Club.We had a lot of comments and participation in the discussions.This action is necessary in order to:
(1) Put forth our rules, regulations, dues, by-laws, and ideals.
(2) A blanket insurance policy must be acquired in the name of our Trial Club.
(3) The Association must be formed and a series of 3 annual Classic Trials held in order to hold the first Llewellin Gun Dog National Championship.
(4) Each club is to submit dues in the amount of $50.00 in order to establish a working capitol.These dues need to be sent in to Lorri Noe at this time.
THE FOLLOWING OFFICERS WERE ELECTED:
RR 1 Box 88
Lynn Hill Farm
16192 Lynn Road
Saegertown, PA 16433
4787 W 224
RR 1 Box 88
BOARD OF DIRECTORS:Consisting of one representative from each of the seven Clubs formed to date as well as Alfred O. King, Sr.
Alfred declined any nomination of office in the NLGDC stating he felt the Gun Dog Club would more clearly stand alone and as a separate entity from the Llewellin Setter Association.Nonetheless, Alfred O. King, Sr.; clearly having initiated all the participation in the trials, was elected as a member of the Board of Directors representing the Llewellin Setter Association.The President will vote in case of a tie in vote.
Alfred O. King, Sr.
27 Gapview Road
Conway, AR. 72032-8812
468 Beth Page Road
P. O. Box 273
Thomasville, GA 31792-0000
Rt. 1 Box 273
West Liberty, KY 41472-0000
1277 Caprice Court
Jenison, MI 49428-0000
P.O. BOX 159
House Springs, MO 63051-0000
P. O. BOX 196
Strafford, NH 03884-0000
130 Sumit Avenue
Mt. Holly, NC 28120-0000
1401 Whisonant Road
Rock Hill, SC29730